Flagging issues on craigslist

Flagging issues on craigslist

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Hey, we're trying hard to turn over a lot of control over craigslist to the community. That's proving to be a very democratic, effective, and fast way to run things.

When it comes to our classifieds, we have a mechanism where you can flag a posting for removal. If enough people agree with you, it gets removed. You can only flag a posting once, since we don't want one person to be able to remove ads.

This works really well, but it can be abused, but for sure I don't want to discuss how.

One problem is that this doesn't work always well in abuse cases, since only the target might know that a posting is abusive. That is, people are really good a sniffing out pranking and harassment, but some still get through. In such cases, people email us at abuse@craigslist.org… but that's not real time, and our coverage (that's Jim and me) isn't 24×7. We're working on that.

We are working on making this more effective, since we need better quality control in many categories. That would include making sure roommate ads aren't posted in apartment available ads, and that broker fee apartments aren't posted in broker no-fee sections.

We can use specific feedback on this. The system works, but over time, needs to get better.

We're also improving the way we do this with our discussion boards. A registered user can flag a posting for our review. (By "our", I mean "my".) You can also rate a posting positively or negatively. That's a precursor to a reputation system, which won't happen anytime soon.

What happens is that I look at flagged forum posts, and decide what to do, based on the postings, the history of the poster (if possible). Sometimes this is easy, but sometime it's really hard, since we see feuding in the forums, or sometimes it's really easy to misinterpret humor. For that matter, I just screw up sometimes.

We're thinking about a system where we don't review posts with just one flag. Maybe we only look at posts with one flag and a negative rating or something like that. I'd sure like that, since it means much less work for me.

However, this introduces the deficiency we see in the classified ads flagging system… where it takes too long to fix a problem, since we won't know about it until someone emails us. Of course, we're not 24×7 on forum flag monitoring anyway.

Anyway, you see that this is difficult to figure… but unless we hear problems, I'm going to suggest to Jim that we don't review forum posts unless we hear from you the there are problems with this.

Specifically, if a flag has only one flag, and a cumulative rating great than negative two, then we don't check it out. (That number can be discussed.)

What do you think?

thanks!

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Lady Seraphina Spankhard

I've found that in the past few months on Calgary Craigslist ads, even legitimate Erotic Services postings are being flagged. For instance, I'm a dominatrix. My work is strictly non-sexual, the posts I place indicate that, do not discuss rates, and do not show explicit photos, yet my ads are flagged within 12 hours. No, I'm not the only one. Virtually all posts in Erotic Services by females are being targeted the same way. I don't know what the deal is, but it's frustrating, as we are advertising properly, for legal services we are licensed to offer.
-Lady Seraphina

TS Jennifer

Hello Craig
My name is Jennifer Oxley and first of all I am a very big fan of your website cgaigslist.org.
I am a Male to Female Transsexual escort in the Inland Empire erotic services t4m section. I have been using your web site for the past three years all over
Southern California as I traveled for my work. I have posted in almost every city in Southern California many times
over the past three years and have always followed the craigslist TOU
rules you have provided for us. I also go by the law in California and
NEVER ask for $ for sex. and I always keep the details of my services off the craigslist web site as you have requested of us to do. I
always say ~
( Please call or e-mail me for more info and to set up a time.)
I have Ben tested by the vice police many times at the rooms where I do my shows and have never Ben arrested for prostitution. I am very good about going by the law and going by the rules that you provide for us.
I want to bring to your atn please the problem us t4m girls in the Inland Empire are dealing with on an every day and night bases now, Being flagged down.
We ar flagged off in just minutes every time we t4m girls post an add here.
Oure postings are all totally legal and have nothing wrong with them at all.
I believe it is being done by about fore or five people in the Inland Empire community.
A very small # of people that hate Transsexuals.
If you look at the Inland Empire site and see there are no or very few t4m postings up ever, usually no postings and you look at w4m section
there are hundreds of postings up most of which are bluntly illegal and selling sex. Nothing has Ben done to stop the people who are flagging our t4m
postings and it is really hurting our business badly.
No other city in Southern California have this flagging problem with
t4m flagging just the Inland Empire. I have a craigslist account with over 400 of my last postings on it from the last 2 1/2 years of posting.
Please take a look at it and see just how bad this discrimination has
gotten here.
Craig can you please do something about this problem I need your site to survive and these people ore almost putting me on the street and it
is not fare at all.
Also look at the inl flag help forum and search (t4m) and you will see
my ongoing fight with the people flagging us. I am jennideeoxley69 in the flag help forum.Also please take a look at my craigslist account page and see what is going on here. I am coming directly to you Craig for help because nobody seams to be helping us at all and this is our best account and brings over 90% of our income at least mine the past three years. If someone was doing this to you and costing you almost all of your income you would do something about the problem right, So pleas help us stop the t4m flagging here so I can make it through another year OK.
Please call or E-mail me if you have any question or for any reason OK.
By:TS Jennifer
E-mail:
jenniferoxley69@yahoo.com

TS Jennifer

Note: even before this was posted, I had asked Jennifer for some clear info on this. that's what I need.
Remember, if you ever want a hand, email me, but it needs to be clear and coherent.
Thanks!
Craig
Subject: Re: Inland Empire Transsexual abuse and personal harassment.
Come on Craig Why don't you
do something about this?
TS Jennifer wrote to Craig and abuse staff:
Please look at the links below and tell me there is not something wrong here staff!
I have sent you emails and no response at all.
"Until now"
Craig I read your blog response, Thanks.
Now this abuse and personal harassment is going on.
Why do you have this email to send you reports when you do not do any thing to stop it? Please do something about this OK staff it is clearly a very serous case of sexual discrimination on craigslist and for you to do nothing about it will look very bad when it all comes out publicly across the USA.
Please respond back to me and let me know you are doing something about this.
BY:TS Jennifer
#1 hate post ~ http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/ers/409040704.html
#2 hate post ~ http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/ers/405748468.html
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# 1 hate post
Tranny with a beard
Tranny with a beard – 45
Reply to: pers-409040704@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-08-29, 10:31AM PDT
This is the WORST tranny in socal. It's basically a dude tiny manboobs, 5 o'clock shadow and a small wanger. If you like gaysex with men then you can get better for less. This ts is LAME
* Location: TS
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 409040704
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# 2 hate post
email this posting to a friend inland empire craigslist > erotic services
please flag with care:
miscategorized
prohibited
spam/overpost
best of craigslist
"TS Jenifer" is just some dude wearing makeup. – m4w
Reply to: pers-405748468@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-08-25, 9:54AM PDT
He doesn't even bother to shave.
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 405748468
Copyright © 2007 craigslist, inc. terms of use privacy policy feedback forum

TS Jennifer

Here is yet another hate post just in Craig!
HOW MUCH LONGER?????
Jennifer Dee Oxley
to abuse & Craig
show details
12:30 pm (0 minutes ago)
Methinks the tranny doth protest too much
email this posting to a friend inland empire craigslist > erotic services
please flag with care:
miscategorized
prohibited
spam/overpost
best of craigslist
Methinks the tranny doth protest too much – 69
Reply to: pers-409119196@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-08-29, 11:54AM PDT
whatever "dude". Your the worst tranny in the IE. You would not do any business in OC or LA. Here you are the only trick in town. You don't even have nice lingerie or ass
* Location: stubbletown
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 409119196

Jennifer

Hello again Craig.
I am sorry to bug you like this again but I have not had any response from you about my last email to you.
I relay need your help Craig with this flagging issue here in the Inland Empire erotic services t4m postings.
Please do something to help my postings stay up for a while.
There is no reason at all that every single one of my postings should be flagged down in minutes every time I post here. I follow your rules and guidelines and the local laws 100%. I am asking you if you from the kindness of your heart will do something here to help me out.
I need the income badly and these flaggers are relay hurting my income here and I know you can do something to help my postings stay up longer.
Come on Craig I know you must have a heart and if someone was costing you almost all of your income you would do something to stop the problem.
Please help me out here Craig
Here is the last couple of days postings that I have been trying to keep posted but they only stay listed for just minutes.
If there is a problem with my postings please contact me asap and let me know.
Thank you
BY:TS Jennifer
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TS Jennifer's flagged postings
Newest flagged post:
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Posted to erotic services on inland empire craigslist
How about an in-call special for you T-Girl lovers in San Bernardino!
Erotic and fun Transsexual Jennifer is hosting an in-call for you today.
Who would like to come enjoy a nice erotic start to your day?
Call me, Lets set it up now.
Call:TS Jennifer
(951)203-4785
* Location: San Bernardino ( in-call special )
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
yesterdays flagged posts:
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421063460 Sep 12 07 inl erotic services inland empire in call special for all you sexy ie guys!
421030218 Sep 12 07 inl erotic services Experience fun mixed with erotic pleasure in a whole new way! – t4m
420500290 Sep 12 07 inl erotic services Come have an erotic and fun experience today in San Bernardino! – w4m
420490014 Sep 12 07 inl erotic services Come have an erotic ts experience to ay in San Bernardino. – t4m
418286395 Sep 09 07 inl erotic services Come play with erotic TS Jennifer in San Bernardino today! – t4m
418036881 Sep 09 07 inl erotic services Inland Empire erotic in call special today! – w4m
418029391 Sep 09 07 inl erotic services Come play with erotic TS Jennifer in San Bernardino today! – t4m

J.

Hi Craig. Ill make this short. I would work for you for free o stopping the problems with flagging, and spamming. Did you ever think of making a network of people who stop spamming by immediately removing the posts?

TS Jennifer

Hi Craig
This is TS Jennifer from the Inland Empire.
I just wanted to say thank you for helping me with this flagging issue and the hat posting issue. I have done quite a lot of research on you and your site and know what kind of "public drama" ~and ~ "government bull shit" you have had to deal with about your erotic services section and t4m.
I want to thank you for steeping up to the plate and fighting for those people on your site that you know are not breaking the law or breaking your TOC rules.
You could have just as easily wrought me off and or even have just band me from your site because of the drama that I was bringing your way over these issues.
But no, You totally went out of you way to help me fight back few times now.
And for that Craig, You are a true honest and caring person and someone I admire very much. And someone I know I can look to for help when I relay need it.
" THANK YOU Craig Newmark"
Love:TS Jennifer

TS Jennifer

Hi Craig
This is TS Jennifer from the Inland Empire.
I just wanted to say thank you for helping me with this flagging issue and the hat posting issue. I have done quite a lot of research on you and your site and know what kind of "public drama" ~and ~ "government bull shit" you have had to deal with about your erotic services section and t4m.
I want to thank you for steeping up to the plate and fighting for those people on your site that you know are not breaking the law or breaking your TOC rules.
You could have just as easily wrought me off and or even have just band me from your site because of the drama that I was bringing your way over these issues.
But no, You totally went out of you way to help me fight back few times now.
And for that Craig, You are a true honest and caring person and someone I admire very much. And someone I know I can look to for help when I relay need it.
" THANK YOU Craig Newmark"
Love:TS Jennifer

TS Jennifer

Hi Craig
This is TS Jennifer from the Inland Empire.
I just wanted to say thank you for helping me with this flagging issue and the hat posting issue. I have done quite a lot of research on you and your site and know what kind of "public drama" ~and ~ "government bull shit" you have had to deal with about your erotic services section and t4m.
I want to thank you for steeping up to the plate and fighting for those people on your site that you know are not breaking the law or breaking your TOC rules.
You could have just as easily wrought me off and or even have just band me from your site because of the drama that I was bringing your way over these issues.
But no, You totally went out of you way to help me fight back few times now.
And for that Craig, You are a true honest and caring person and someone I admire very much. And someone I know I can look to for help when I relay need it.
" THANK YOU Craig Newmark"
Love:TS Jennifer

carol

can you please do something or tell me if it is the same person who is flagging me everytime. i post to pets and with in 30 minutes im being flagged for no reason. please let me know.

carol

can you please do something or tell me if it is the same person who is flagging me everytime. i post to pets and with in 30 minutes im being flagged for no reason. please let me know.

TS Jennifer

Well it seams that the flagging issue is not resolved at all. It is very clearly discrimination against Transsexuals here in the Inland Empire. I cant figure out why every one of my postings get flagged down and the w4m adds are all still up when most of them are clearly not legal. Just look at my flag help feed back and you will see how the flaggers think it is a joke.
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http://forums.inlandempire.craigslist.org/?SQ=ts&act=RSR&searchAID=104&forumID=3
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Inland Empire TS Flaggers 09/26 21:44 -2
: . . Same song another day. 09/26 21:47 +2
: . . is this a flagged post? 09/26 21:51
: . . : . . jennie's a regular. she'll sleep it off. § 09/26 22:01
: . . Yeah! A GAL from a gal! § 09/26 22:02
: . . : . . No, I'M a gal, 09/26 22:10
: . . : . . : . . Disagree. TS gals are gals, too. § 09/26 22:23 -5
: . . (hh) § 09/26 22:18
: . . If I ever post from the "Inland Empire," 09/26 22:28 -1
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I just hope Craig Newmark will do something about this problem.
BY:TS Jennifer

Bill Needam

Hi Craig,
I am one of your success stories. I am a retired motorcycle mechanic (retired due to injury)that wanted to retool my skills to do something that I was able to do and that is to teach. I started posting almost 2 years ago through CL and met some wonderful people that wanted to be self sufficient and learn how to evaluate used bikes as a prelude to purchase. I always received kudo's from many of my students that took the course. A couple of months ago I started to get repeatedly flagged by the "community" and then I would repost. I think that this drew the ire of your bot because after that I started getting flagged by the editor. I found out later from other people who post that there were some trolls in the LA motorcycle section that would flag all non-motorcycle ads and I was also being hounded by a mechanic who didn't approve of what I was doing (he posted his services on CL-motorcycles).I don't know what is wrong I have tried to follow the netiquette and TOS. I have emailed the help desk but have never received a "democratic" why I am being flagged by staff. Sadly this may be my last year that I will be teaching this class as small entrepreneurs like myself cannot afford big media. Even more unfortunate is that schools have phased out this type of instruction so that any type of shop course will only be discussed in the Smithsonian for historical purposes.

TS Jennifer

Craig
why are you doing this to me? I am sorry but I just can not understand why you are allowing this to happen to me. I go by the law and go by the rules to the tee and provide a totally legal TS adult show. And you have the erotic service section just for that purpose for those who go by the law and provide a legal adult service like mine. But because I am a Transsexual adult entertainer you will not let me post in the Inland Empire area at all not even one posting, you have them flag me off right away every single time 24/7.
I know you can set up my craigslist account for flagging protection Craig I have read the hidden feed back about protection against flagging and also feed back of you telling your flagging staff and volunteers to lay off certain people.
I know you have the power and ability to help me and stop this discrimination and abuse from happening to me, "But you don't" ~ "WHY?"
* Craig can you please set my account up for flagging protection and tell your flag staff and volunteers to lay off of me?
* And if I am doing something wrong please tell me what it is so I can correct it don't just abuse me.
And one more question:
If you and the craigslist community do not want Transsexuals on your site here in the Inland Empire why do you have the t4m sections on your site? Is it just to allow the flag staff and volunteers to abuse them? And then you just ignore the Transsexual people when they come to you for help and guidance over it?
I respect you a lot Craig and am very sorry for always emailing and bugging you but this is BULL SHIT Craig and you know it! All I have ever asked you for is to help me, because I do what is right, follow your rules and go by the law every single time I post an add.
Thank you
BY:TS Jennifer

Mark Evans

Craig,
I can appreciate the need to flag a lot of postings but the system can be awful unfair sometimes. Today, I posted 32 classifieds for writers in cities around the world. While the text for these positions is the same, they are distinct jobs so I'm puzzled that with the exception of one listing, they were all flagged.
cheers, Mark

TS Jennifer

Advertising illegal services ~ ~ what Craig?
OK Craig first of all here is the email that I send to people that send for info and I tell every single caller the rules the same as what I email to them. I sure as hell would not be coming to you for help if I was breaking the law!
And you have Sean my account page with over 600 postings on it, If you can find just ONE posting out of 600 that I posted that suggests sex for $ in any way let me know. And that still dose not explain why every single t4m post is flagged off as soon as in is posted in the Inland Empire and every other city in Southern California has hundreds of t4m postings.
It is clear discrimination against Transsexuals here in the inland Empire and you are not helping us at all here. And I think that is wrong Craig come on.
Here is my rules I follow to the "T" I have nothing to hide form anyone.
* CRAIG: Please can you set up my craigslist account for flag protection?
MY RULES FOR MY ADULT SERVICES:
Hi I do not charge hourly. I charge a one time flat rate of $150 for a 15-30 min Transsexual adult strip teas show. This is a 15-30 min NON SEXUAL show with no sexual touching or playing of any kind during the show. If I do ask you to stay and play for a wile after the show and you accept then there will be "NO CHARGES OR FEES" for that time at all.
( $150 flat rate ) for the NON SEXUAL TS adult show and of course I
do accept tips for good service at your discretion.
Call me if you want to set up a time.
BY:TS Jennifer
(951)203-4785

donna

CRAIG-I just came across this-I hope I am not out of line writing in here-I have had a terrible experience using your sight-because of one competitor that I have begged for help from the abuse department-this person knows how to flag me off by himself-he has somehow set this up-I understand about bad and or abusive post-but mine is within the guidelines-I run a tree service and this other person does as well-he has went to crazy lengths to make it impossible for me to advertise my business-for the simple fact he wants to be the only one advertising tree services on here-he flags my add off every single time I post it-he has written defaming lies about my company over and over-he even went as far as to describe me "inside" my own home to everyone on craigslist-I called the police and they wrote to abuse-never received a response-he calls my home cussing me-goes around town telling all potential customers – lies about company and not to use us-only because I am a competitor and refused to let him bully me off craigslist like the other tree services did-I tried to hide my ad in other catagories-as when I try and put in skilled trade-it sets him off writing terrible things on craigs about me-well craigs blocked me for this-I could not believe it-I emailed the post he put on telling everyone to come by my home and look at it-and describing me inside-and they removed it and said to inform police-but they refuse to block this creep for the the outright abuse and harassment I have received from him-I understand you need the flagging system-however what about people who do this to others just out of spite because they do not want any competition-It is not right or fair in any shape or form-he left me alone for a short while after the police had a talk with him-but because a customer of mine told him they were going to use us instead of him for a job-he has started again-I will give you the posting number of his last post-he was posting everyday in several categories-however he knows i am writing to craigs and has pulled some of his recent adds-Can you please check his history-and see maybe if he needs to be blocked-Stalking-is a crime-and this crazy man is stalking and harassing me to no end because of trying to advertise on your site-can you help?-his posting number is #522984978-Im praying for a little justice here as he managed to get me blocked twice-just trying to keep one advertisement on here .
He really is scary-i will be glad to send you the posting numbers of his describing me inside my home-CREEPY-thank you

donna

thank you so much craig for responding-i sent an email back to you-i hope you receive it-short version is
he-is harassing me again on here and i would like some justice from you for what he has put me through-everything he has done is against your guidelines/Tou-and he is also
doing the very things I got blocked for-(ie:see his post in wrong section #524499796)–but i just want him to leave me alone and let me use craigslist like everyone else….I have never met him-just a competitor–although he has called and cussed me–and peeped in my windows-he flags my add nonstop-Just Please-check him out/warn him/block him-make him leave me alone on craigslist–thank you so much
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His company name is
L&D TREE/LAST 2 POSTINGS ARE 524499796–522984978—
ALTHOUGH HE WAS POSTING EVERY SINGLE DAY-HE HAS DELETED MOST OF THEM-HE KNOWS I AM ON THE VERGE OF CONTACTING YOU AND THE POLICE OR COURTS AGAIN-CHECK HIS HISTORY-PLEASE/THANKS-DONNA

donna

craig read below-this is just a small example of the things he has put on craigs list about me-(I know this was in Nov-but he is starting all over again)he has embarrassed me and my company to no end on here-and still harasses our customers-if it were not for craigslist-he would not have any business-and this I feel is why he will stop at nothing to get rid of me –we have endured all the abuse from this person we can take–can you help from the craigslist end -PLEASE-
****************************HE WROTE THESE!!
e: The little Shit Tree Service for 150.00
Reply to: pers-467663306@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-11-03, 9:26AM EDT
OK…SO LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT. YOU HAVE BEEN HERE A MONTH, CLAIM TO
HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 40 YRS (YOU JUST CAME BACK FROM GEORGIA). YOU CLAIM
TO BE PROFESSIONALS (YOU HAVE A LITTLE SHIT TRUCK WITH A LADDER
STRAPPED TO IT) YOU CLAIM TO BE FULLY INSURED (YOU HAVE LOST MORE JOBS
BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF IT) YOU CLAIM TO HAVE ALL THIS EQUIPMENT (YOU
HAVE NOTHING BUT A LADDER, AND A TRAILER ) AND TO TOP IT ALL YOU HAVE
THE NERVE TO TALK SHIT ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE ON HERE. YOU ARE WHITE
TRASH LIVING IN A BROKEN DOWN TRAILER. YOU DONT EVEN HAVE YOUR OWN
PHONE NUMBER (DUE A REVERSE PHONE CHECK ON THESE IDIOTS AND IT COMES
UP TO SOMEONE ELSE) YOU COMPLAIN YOU GET NO CALLS, AND THAT YOUR
COMPETITORS ARE TAKING YOUR WORK (PUT MORE MINUTES ON YOUR PRE-PAID
CELL PHONE) YOU CAN GET THE ADDRESS OFF "WHITE PAGES" WERE YOU LIVE OF
YOUR PHONE NUMBER (DRIVE BY THIS PLACE OF BUSINESS…HOW
PROFFESSIONAL) YOU ARE WHITE TRASH, FIX UP THOSE BROKE AS CARS IN YOUR
YARD TO STAY BUSY (PATHETIC)
* Location: SHIT TALKING TRASH
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other
commercial interests
PostingID: 467663306
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Reply to: pers-467753270@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-11-03, 11:38AM EDT
YUP… Printer? You is trailer trash gurl. The Sophisticated computer
literate user, utilizes state of the art copy and save technique.
Printers are obsolete as is your ragged out mantality along with your
body. I can picture you sitting in front of your big old round monitor
waiting for the page to load on your dial up, with that printer paper
with the holes on the side. Smoking that cigarette trying to find a
place to sit it in the ashtray that is overflowing. You are probabally
uncomfortable because you cant get your lets under the table were your
computer is, too stacked up with crap. Now your upset because you read
this, as the smoke lifts into the air past your wrinkled face into
your 80's style bleached out hair cut with yellow ends, no….I am not
behind the curtain watching you.

louis

Jacksonville Florida~Skilled Trades posts continuosly getting flagged by someone trying to cut out the competition. These posts have no offensive materials or misconduct in them. Is there anything we can do to remedy this?

euser

I find it somewhat comical that this posting was made so long ago, and how little progress has been made to fix CL's flagging abuse problems.
Why not simply allow users to view content based on their own preferences? For example, a person could set a threshold for how many flags an ad receives before it becomes invisible to them. They could change the threshold at any time. This way, nothing is ever truly 'removed'. Abuse can still be reported and the CL admins could still deal with those as needed.
The biggest problem with flagging is it has become a majority rules nightmare. people are even searching out ways to remove ads using scripts. It's hard to keep using CL when your ads get removed and they aren't in violation.

Leatherman Tourist Guide

The Houston erotic Services Bot is crazy. They repeatedly clear out all the ads. Yes many are spam or illegal but the legal ads should be not be cleared in just minutes.
Why? do you have a erotic section if no one can post legal ads?
I offer leather club tours of Houston. It is a companion service and I do not offer sex customers. Just a tour guide to some pretty erotic legal gay oriented services. Unable to keep an ad up on-line because flagging and bot auto deletes.
I had too repost 17x YESTERDAY.Each one was re-posted & re-edited as per the rules on my registered account.
The Houston discussion forum on flagging are the rudest mean spirited people I have ever met-even being called a fag and a HO when inquiring on what was wrong with the ad.
It placed is in the correct section, does not ask for money for sex, does not have lewd photos. This is the second weekend of this bs. I tried just basic very short ad and was still deleted. I tried copying another ad that had been left unmolested. I used my descr. and never post a Ph#.
Not just me but E V E R Y post is being flagged in just minutes. Most were legal I read them as they posted and were deleted in minutes. Why play these games?
H E L P I'm starving here and need some tours booked.

Flag Target

Congratulations, you have now made it entirely possible for serial flaggers to abuse the system so easily that I am no longer able to keep a single ad online.
I am a masseur and not an escort. My ads are not against any content rules, in fact they are rather tame compared to the ads that stay up on the board, yet they are CONSTANTLY hit by serial flaggers, for competition, or just spite. It doesn't matter what I post, even my tame hookup posts are flagged off regularly.
Flagging is a serious problem, you know people are routinely automating the process so they can take ads down by themselves, yet you repeatedly refuse to even admit there is a problem.
People ARE abusing the flag system, as a result, I am no longer able to get work, while many who are actually selling sex are still up.
If the content I post is not against the TOU, I should have the same right to keep a post online as anyone else, but you have not only allowed, but enabled, and encouraged abusers to take that right away from me.
Goodbye, freedom of Speech, Craig is letting the outlaws rule Craigslist. Fairness is not a priority here.

Helsa

Hello,
I would recommend correcting the problem of 'flagging to eliminate competition'. It's really a bad system. I would suggest, as someone did above, that flagged ads only become invisible to the flagger, and that the creators of those ads might be able to see the reasons for their flags – and correct them accordingly, if they have violated the Terms.
This is happening to other Tantric Massage providers and Intimacy Coaches here in Asheville – on ERS (except for one, of course…) while escorts are left alone. I have been ignored thus far – and would love to see a resolution to this problem. Please create a fair system.
Thanks,
Helsa

Spherion

I think the worst "feature" of Craig's List is flagging. It's entirely abused and causes more issues than it actually resolves. There ARE such things in this decade that have evolved to help protect against spam (i.e. CAPTCHA). I think people would rather skim over spam than invest an hour or more on a RANTS AND RAVES post only to have a malicious user flag the post with multiple accounts just to make things difficult. In our city, half the posts are scorning the "flagger". it's ridiculous and a mindless and impracticle "feature". If you notice, nobody else does it–not because Craig's List is so "unique" because it's a devestating feature.
Oh, and the 15 minute wait for a post to show up? Huh? Craig's List should move from the Commodore 64 mentality to present times.

Hilary

Better yet! Lose flagging all together and start charging to post in erotic services. I don't mind paying, and it will stop alot of the BS.

Richard

Postings in Seattle in W4M, Adult and other areas are being flagged incorrectly, probably by moralizers intent on getting rid of anything they disapprove of.
It's making the Seattle CL almost impossible to use.

mee

(from Craig) If that happened, it means that rather ugly harassment or similar activities were happening from your IP.
If your line is shared, could be someone else, but I didn't receive any emails from you to this effect. (end Craig)
what gets me is the attitude of the "staff". I use to be a frequent user of the forums and ads until they sent an email to my service provider that my ip address was "harassing other users" and unless my service was discontinued and my personal information forwarded back to them craigslist was going to block my provider.. big threat.. my service provider refused to release my information. Makes me wonder how often they seek and get personal information on anyone and for what purpose.

Kathy

It should not be so easy for competitors to flag the competition off craiglist. In the Seattle Tacoma area, carpet cleaning companies are now being allowed to advertise their services — every single one is flagged off within a few minutes of putting up their ad. I don't understand this. I think the flagging process should be made more difficult, and the one doing the flagging should have to give their e-mail address and the reason for the flag for each posting they flag. Looks like someone has an automated system flagging off all posts for carpet cleaning as soon as they go up. I am losing faith in craigslist. I have come to believe, though the concept of craigslist was genius, the flagging system is stupid and may ultimately cause the downfall of craigslist if they don't do something about it.

bella

Hi,
I am also a dominatrix and I am having difficulty posting like everyone else on the craigslist erotic site. I have no naked pictures or anything overly provocative. I keep getting flagged repeatedly and it is effecting my work. I am under the impression that it is someone who is just in competition with me or something. Please let me know as soon as you can in regards to what i can do to resolve this matter.
Bella
(in Hell-a)

Jose

It's pretty bad when everyone on the R&R forums are talking about creating an alternative forum just so their posts aren't wiped out by consistent flagging abusers. Every other day and entire day's posts are wiped out via your flagging system.
Obviously you don't really care or can't afford a decent system. Typical corporate philosophy. 'Can come up with great ideas but can't can't see the forest through the trees enough to follow it through effectively. Perhaps you could sell to an up and coming corporation who is savy enough to bring CL out of the 90's?

Nicole

I post in the Akron/Canton Erotic section and now get flagged almost immediately. I had a man threaten to report my number to the police and claimed to be flagging the posts as what we do is immoral even though sex for hire is not mentioned. I am sick and tired of not being able to post for days because someone is bored and loves the flagging system put into place.I have no issues paying for my ad as Backpage does.When my post is actually up I get responses. You need to seriously reevaluate the flagging feature as it is being seriously abused.It seems this has been an issue since you started the peer flagging and you have done nothing to fix it. I am tired of wasting time making a creative ad only to have it removed in mere minutes.It is now to the point that girls are only posting a sentence to reduce the chance of drawing attention and being removed.

May

I'm a woman who has posted W4M section of Casual Encounters. Two years ago when I did this, I took my ad down myself after three days. Now, I get flagged within 2 hours. I don't violate CL rules, and was mystified by why this was happening until I read your post. It's a shame that CL has decided to go mainstream and jettison it's sexual content. I think the other posters are right; we will eventually migrate to the next alternative.

Rose

Well, i cannot say I have fully followed CL rules, so if I have been flagged for an improper add, I can accept that … However, lately I put up ads that r decent and I get flagged. I am certain there is someone(s) targeting me specifically …
Is there no recourse?

TS Jennifer

The flagging abuse is still going strong. When I asked the flag help forum why this is what response I got from them.
When will the Transgender discrimination end on Graig's website?
inl Flagging every t4m posting????????????????? 06/27/08 14:16
: . . Here we go, another conspiracy theory. § 06/27/08 14:18
: . . : . . Conspiracy theory??? 06/27/08 14:24
: . . : . . : . . see lil_sprite's response below. § 06/27/08 14:25
: . . : . . : . . : . . Prostitution is illegal. All ES ads get flagged § 06/27/08 14:27
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . ^Oops, missthread. should be below § 06/27/08 14:28
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . the 300 w4m postings 06/27/08 14:32
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . No, and those get flagged just as much 06/27/08 14:34
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . Why are there still postings? 06/27/08 14:40
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . Why are there still speeders on the freeway? 06/27/08 14:42
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . Maybe their Pimps post more often? Anyone? § 06/27/08 14:43
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . You have to think about this statistically 06/27/08 14:43
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . Stop harassing you, I just want a real reson. 06/27/08 14:51
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . well you have been answered. Your ad is 06/27/08 14:54
: . . all? I just did a t4m site search of all of 06/27/08 14:21 +1
: . . : . . No Erotic services § 06/27/08 14:26
: . . : . . : . . And what did your ad say? You were likely 06/27/08 14:26
: . . : . . : . . : . . I do not charge for sex 06/27/08 14:34
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . What are you charging for? Please post the 06/27/08 14:36
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . HOT Inland Empire TS in call special 06/27/08 14:42
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . Vague ads promising "fun" and "play" are 06/27/08 14:44
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . She complained to Craig 4 years ago. Look at 06/27/08 14:46
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . Bizarre… who is Ben and why does she keep 06/27/08 14:52
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . there you are nothing wrong with my post § 06/27/08 14:44
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . Thank you, come again! § 06/27/08 14:44
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . So the condom is $150 but the sex is free? § 06/27/08 14:39
: . . : . . : . . What types of services were offered? 06/27/08 14:27
: . . : . . : . . : . . I don't play that game, I know the law! 06/27/08 14:39
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . Aloud is how you read a book to a group. § 06/27/08 14:39
: . . : . . : . . : . . : . . OK, just wanted to check… You ARE a hooker :) § 06/27/08 14:40
: . . We are fellow users. You have Craig's ear – he 06/27/08 14:30 +2 link
: . . : . . He did address Jennifer, on that very page. :-) § 06/27/08 14:45
The flagging abuse is still going strong. When I asked the flag help forum why this is what response I got from them.
When will the Transgender discrimination end on Graig's website?
BY:TS Jennifer

Arthur samuels

Craiglslist Should Add Word Verification Code To Flagging Process & Code To Deflect Multiple Flaggings Posted Within Seconds To Cut Down On Abusers..
Abusive flagging is one of the weaknesses of Craigslist and will probably spawn competitors! They need to address this most serious problem and the word verification code process is one answer because it would slow the process down. Also, if there are multiple flaggings for the same postings within seconds it should program its code to deflect such abuse!
Craig Newmark Founder… craig@craigslist.com
Jim Buckmaster CEO….. Jim@craigslist.com
clint@craigslist.com
editor@craigslist.com
http://freespeechstore.com/
Art

Kristina

do you see anything wrong with this?
I had 2 non-explicit pictures with it.
And I guess you flagged it, and now I want to delete my account. But theres no way apparently. please help!!
Im looking for a guy who wants a fun relationship, with me and only me.
I want someone who is drug free, and is looking forward to be being married in the next 4 to 5 years. And wants kids as well, please only men between the ages of 18 and 21. And I dont someone who lives more then 25 or so miles away from me.
Location: 77539
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

Lady Katija in Maui

I too am a Dominatrix, not selling sex, just a role play experience, well with in the definition of the law.
I am very disheartened by the flag system and ill tell you why…
I saw you on tv, it was amazing finally seeing you , you were so poised and so cool, and talked about stuff very dear to my heart: democracy, freedom, the little guy, and community vision.
This is what I love about the magical place called Craig'slist Land, I cant even tell you how many wonderful things happen to me there…
But Craig, there is a dark cloud over Craigslist Land that threatens to ruin it…the abusive flagging.
I like the idea that folks can set the amount of flags, to be visible, because ostensably the reason for the flagging system is keep inappropriate things away from children, but as adults I think we ought to be able to decide what we deem inappropriate, no?
But if that does not work what about expanding your pay category, to include erotic services:
We would pay 50 bucks an ad, it would be evaluated by your staff, and if it passed the TUS then it could go up for the 45 days.
And lastly what about a rating system, the erotic services section teams up with a company like nanny net, where you prove you are an adult with CC info and then can have access to adult content.
If you partner with another company to do the ID checking then you no longer have those hassles, and more folks have jobs…more paychecks…more happy daddies and mommies bringing home dinner…
Fits well with the ideas you (and I) have about thriving communities that can survive with out corporate culture right?

proseros

I don't know what has recently happened to CL but I do know that the site has lost is useful functionality due to flagging-whatever that is or whoever is doing it. People censorig each other at will is just plain ludricous, and needing to continually tailor an Ad to suit an ad hoc of readers wh probably have nothing better to do than flag an Ad for any reason makes the site completely inefficient for anyone's purposes, regardless what they are. The posting verification page tends to not work no matter what you copy in the window and after going through all of that then losig your ad…
Whatever has been done to CL -PLEASE UNDO IT SO THAT EVERYONE CAN USE IT. BUT DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO REMOVE OTHER PEOPLE'S ADS! IT'S JUST PLAIN WRONG AND UNNECESSARY. IF AN AD ISN'T LIKED IT SHOULD BE IGNORED.

Jennifer

Something has to be done about the flagging issue on Craigslist. I don't personally use Craiglist for any of our rescue dogs for fear that we will be flagged by abusers due to our adoption fee ($250 which doesn't even cover the cost of all we do for the dogs). I do check Craigslist daily and there is a lot of abuse going on. There are activist on there now and they will get upset that someone is rehoming a pet and they will flag the ad. They then post an ad telling everyone else to flag the ad. Yes, their ad eventually gets removed but not before the damage was done and the perfectly good ad was removed. It is getting out of hand and one of these activists even sends nasty emails to people who put up ads. One was so bad that a poster (who unfairly had her ad removed) contacted the police. The flagging system (if there must be one) needs to be redone. How about have people give written explanations of why they feel an ad should be removed? I bet you would be able to tell really fast if it is an activist or someone with a legitimate reason for ad removal. I personally will have nothing to do with Craigslist and will tell others to stay away as well until the abusive flagging issue is resolved.

JR

I am disgusted with the flagging feature of craigslist. I think it should be removed. I feel like I am now living in a country where Freedom of Speech is not a right. We are being censored and it doesn't feel good at all. I think that if craigslist continues in this fashion, then they will not be around much longer. The flagging has gotten to be so bad, that people are tired of wasting their time on craigslist. I have put up personal ads that do not violate any terms and the posting is flagged before it is even displayed. There are obviously a group of people that have gotten together to beat the flagging system and it is has affected the rest of us. I guess what makes me the most angry is that craigslist doesn't even care. Why do they even have the Abuse link? IF craigslist was still be running by craig and a buddy out of the goodness of their heart I wouldn't care. But it is not a corporate business…. it's disgusting!

Nick

I am so pissed about the thereputic catagory for the Detroit area on Craigs List. It has turned out to be a prostitute and sex catagory. The sexual ads keep being posted, and when I post a comment about this, it is quickly flagged and removed, yet the sex ads remain. What the hell is going on?

Nick

Someone from Craigs List should be checking the thereputic section for the Detroit area.
There are too many sexual ads. There is an ad with some dude pulling down his shorts nearly exposing his package and another ad about topless/nude massage, yet my comments about these ads get flagged and removed. And when I flag these ads they stay up. How can I remove them?

Jim Grayson

Hi Jim & Craig,
I write this to make you aware of an indiscriminate bot-flagging issue that, if you're not aware of, you need to be (IMHO).
I did an experiment which proves that there is bot flagging (basically flagging of ads to the point of removal where there is nothing "wrong" with the ads other than they're not from the bot flagger himself).
Just now, I copied existing ads (casual encounters, SF, south bay, m4w); and re-posted them, all of which were flagged within minutes; however the original IDENTICAL ads remained.
This, along with my experience with Craigslist over the years and noting the fact that ads which used to remain up for the allotted week were gone in minutes, proved to me, that the only ads that currently remain on Craigslist are those from the bot-flaggers themselves.
Sad, but, this kills the usefulness of Craigslist. I do sympathize that you have to deal with this; but I do hope that you are aware of the issue. I'm sure you've thought of mechanisms to resolve this. I hope you're aware of http://www.craigsflagger.com (similar technology is likely being used here).
It would be nice if you can just reply that you're aware of the issue (BTW, one simple solution might be to add captcha to flagging requests).
Thanks,

Joel

The abusive flagging is a tremendous problem. CL could do several things to stop it, like require REAL Email and/or ID from flaggers, find a mechanism for victims to quickly challenge flaggings, and discipline flaggers. The abusive flagging problem is already harming CL's reputation and opening the door to what we hope will be competitors with more ethical practices, which do not permit abusive flagging.
And why exactly, does CL believe flaggers should be protected by anonymity?

Gina

This is an old thread, but the problem is entirely current. Flagging is used as a form of habitual harassment and bigotry on Craigslist. So, while Craigslist purports to be a 'progressive' site that helps people (Craig on Jon Stewart's show) it, in fact, is run by bullies and haters. I am a post-op transwoman who is looking for a long-term relationship. I am posting on W4M because that's who I am and where I belong. Instead, I'm flagged 4, 5, now 6 times a day in the 'tranny ghetto' of Misc. Romance where crossdressers, fetishists and sex workers post. Believe it or not Craig, not all transwomen are sex workers or looking or quickies.
Craigslist is nothing more than a place for reactionaries to bully people they don't like. Congratulations, Craig, you've managed to create an even more hateful/transphobic environment than something like the SF Chronicle.

Elsie

How about just dispensing with flagging, which, four years after this was originally posted, still does more harm than good?
I routinely have to wade through porn ads in personals, pyramid scams in help wanteds, and shifty brokers in apartments by owner, but people trying to give pets away to a good home, advertise a legitimate service, or offer a worthwhile gig get flagged and removed. It hurts everyone, both the posters who are removed and all the potential readers who could've benefited from the ads just because they rubbed a few people the wrong way.
If you insist on continuing this useless tradition, at least please make the guidelines more explicit and REQUIRE that an ad violate the terms of service to be removed. Ads should not be removed just because "the community doesn't like it," as one moderator offered in explanation to a frustrated, flagged poster in the CL forums. It shouldn't be that arbitrary.

Traci

The auto flagging software that people use on W4M is ridiculous. I was hoping to find someone to bar hop with. I put a nice simple picture up and I get flagged an hour later. I got my ad to stay up for a whole day once! I'm NOT a spammer and there is nothing vulgar in my ad. I just moved to LA and want to meet new people. I notice that the ads that are CLEARLY spam stay on the site. Also, I notice that M4W has naked body parts, vulgar language it's like the wild west over there! LAME.

Jane Harrison

Yes, in some sections, people just do not flag anything such as the adult section. The threshold for an item being removed never gets hit because of this. A website called craigs hitmen, craigshitmen.com claims it wants to allow one person to flag an ad down, I think 'finally'!

Jim Burk

I know for sure the people you have over at craigshitmen.com are doing a good job with this as its more efficient than most flagging communities

Jim Burk

I know for sure the people you have over at craigshitmen.com are doing a good job with this as its more efficient than most flagging communities

David

Why not a set of duputies (either at large or for a sub set of group). Duputies could be more closly monitored to see that they work within the rules.

Trey

I think flagging is a beautiful thing, The only suggestion I have is to create a seperate section for no pay gigs. As many other developers would agree it's a pain to weed through all of these peoples ads that want something for nothing. I can understand posting a simple question regarding a small issue or asking for advice for no pay, however the nerve of some people expecting to get hardcore database dynamic programming or thier website done for free, Amazes me.

Markus Ruhl

DOS attacks are a serious federal crime.
IF the site operator had an interest in stopping it…

Smiling Bob

Only thing wrong with the flagging is the threshold is too high. My ad stays on the front page about 5 minutes before the auto posters shove it off the first 100.
Site is being taken over by spammers.

GOP

Flaggers gang up and target people who sell multiple items. Not only that but they also post ads with physical threats. This is escalated because YOU allow it.
I emailed abuse, clint, craig and noting happened to address this issue.

Doug S

GOP…

You are 100% correct. I have e-maild many people in the orgonization about my flagging terrorist, and nothing in the last 3 months has been done.
I too have had threats. Many of them. Threats of not only promising to tear down every one of my adds, but harm against me as well.
All I read about Craig himself sounds wonderful… I just hope his eyes will read this, and his heart will jump in and help us.

KS

Non-supporters of Animal Rescues and Shelters make it near impossible to keep posts active. The harassment, vulgarities, defamation and flagging is out of control. Isn't there a way Craigslist can have a separate section for legitimate licensed non-profit organizations that can post their information without being flagged for removal?

Concerned Reader

There's also a lot of discussion back and forth about CA Underdogs and Lisa's Passion for Pets. It never ends. People ask the discussions to be moved elsewhere, and they're attacked. There's only so much flagging that can be done, but it seems the pets section is overrun with cursing, arguments, and backyard breeders. Nothing is being done, and the same spammers and illegal posters return day after day.
RE,RE BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH (north beach / telegraph hill)
Reply to:see below
Date: 2009-05-24, 9:08PM PDT
OH YOU SAY YOU WANT TO FIGHT?IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OLD MAN? JUST RE WHERE YOU WANT TO MEET ME IN PERSON. I WILL GO BY MY SELF AND WE WILL GET BUSY MANO TO MANO. THIS E-MAIL SHIT IS FOR SISSY'S,SO LIKE I SAID, RE WHERE YOU WANT TO MEET AND I WILL GIVE YOU A GOOD RUN FOR YOUR MONEY 'BUDDY' AND I WILL TAKE A PICTURE OF YOUR FACE ALL JACKED UP AND I WILL PUT IT ON C.L SO EVERY ONE CAN SEE HOW AND WHERE YOU TALKING YOUR SHIT GOT YOU.. TRY ME??????
PostingID: 1187335259
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KEEP BREEDING BULLIES ,MAKE MONEY HOW EVER YOU COULD,THANKS PRES BUSH (excelsior / outer mission)
Reply to:see below
Date: 2009-05-24, 8:38PM PDT
EVERY ONE OUT THERE KEEP BREEDING THE HELL OUT OF YOUR DOGS AND MAKE MONEY HOW EVER YOU COULD TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND IF THESE BULLIES END UP IN THE WRONG HANDS OR IN THE POUND,WHO IS TO BLAME PRESIDENT BUSH FOR SENDING OUR JOBS OVER SEAS AND NOW THE ECONOMY IS ALL FUCKED UP AND EVERY ONE IS PAYING EVEN OUR KIDS. SO IF MORE PIT BULLS END UP IN THE POUND LET THE GOVERMENT CLEAN THE MESS UP AND LET THEM HIRE MORE EMPLOYS AT THE POUND TO CARRY THEM OUT.KEEP BREEDING YOUR DOGS AND BUY YOUR KIDS WHAT THEY WANT AND FEED THEM BIG FAT STEAKS THEY WILL DO IT FOR US ONE DAY WHEN WE ARE OLD AND CAN NOT TAKE CARE OF OUR SELVES. THESE ANTI PIT BULL BYB PEOPLE WONT BE THERE FOR YOU,SO MORE POWER TO YOU.. BREEDING IS NOT A CRIME….. SENDING OUR JOBS TO A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY IS…..
PostingID: 1187310597
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RE,RE,RE,RE I FLAG EVERY ONE (bayview)
Reply to:see below
Date: 2009-05-24, 8:06PM PDT
DAAANNNNGGGGGG,YOU DO FEED YOUR KIDS TOP RAMEN 'MEAL' AND YOUR DOGS EAT BISON AND ELK MEAL.WELL WHEN YOUR IN HELL I HOPE THEY FEED YOU TOP RAMEN WITH CORN ON THE HOT GRILL WITH SATAN….I THINK I HIT YOUR 'G' SPOT…
PostingID: 1187280570
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PIT BULL BREEDERS KEEP POSTING I GOT YOUR BACKS (marina / cow hollow)
Reply to:see below
Date: 2009-05-24, 7:56PM PDT
AS THOSE PURINA DOG LOVERS AND PIT BULL HATERS KEEP FLAGGING YOUR PIT BULL PUPPY POST, I KEEP FLAGGING ALL THOSE OTHER BREEDS AND THERE ANTI PIT BULL POST,I FLAG EVERY ONE FUCK IT,THEY WANT TO BE HATERS AND PLAY STUPID. I AND MY 4 LAP TOPS AND MY BOYS WILL TO,GOOD LUCK PIT BULL BREEDERS……………I FLAG ALL ADDS ,BUT NOT BULLY BREEDERS…….HEEE HAAAWWWW…
PostingID: 1187273551
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RE,RE KEWL you just reposted my add for me on your post'STUPID'thanks (castro / upper market)
Reply to:see below
Date: 2009-05-24, 7:49PM PDT
THANKS DUMMY SO WHEN THEY FLAG MY ADD PEOPLE CAN STILL READ MY POST ON YOUR STUPID POST,LIKE I SAID THANKS DUMMY……..
PostingID: 1187267293
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RE,RE,RE I FLAG EVERY ONE (haight ashbury)
Reply to:see below
Date: 2009-05-24, 7:33PM PDT
I WAS RIGHT THOUGH YOU DO FEED YOUR KIDS CORN,BUT NOT YOUR STUPID DOGS BECAUSE YOU STUPID PEOPLE BELIEVE YOUR DOG IS GOING TO GROW A WHOLE CORN OUT OF IT'S ASS. I BET YOU SIT THERE WHEN YOU DOG TAKES A BIG FAT TERD AND YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE PICK AT IT WITH YOU FINGERS LIKE MY STUPID NEIGHBORS DO. DO YOU LOOK AT YOUR KIDS CRAP TO SEE IF IT IS FIRM AND TO SEE IF YOU SEE CORN ON THE COB???????? I BET YOUR KIDS EAT TOP RAMEN 'MEAL' AND YOU DOG EATS $50 BAGS OF DOG FOOD WHICH SAY'S CHICKEN MEAL LAMB MEAL FISH MEAL BISON MEAL AND ELK MEAL,I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU KIDS.
PostingID: 1187252131
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RE,RE I FLAG EVERY ONE?? (financial district)
Reply to:see below
Date: 2009-05-24, 7:23PM PDT
WELL YOU JUST FED ME STUPID ASS,YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE PURINA DOG LOVER,HAHAHAHAH
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I FLAG EVERY ONES POST OF BULL SHIT EXCEPT PIT BULL BREEDERS.. (laurel hts / presidio)
Reply to:see below
Date: 2009-05-24, 6:53PM PDT
I SIT ON MY ASS ALL DAY FROM 4 DIFFERENT COMPUTERS FLAGGING ALL YOUR BULL SHIT POST YOU FREAK'N DOG LOVERS GO TAKE CARE OF YOUR KIDS THE WAY YOU DO YOUR DOGS. YOU FEED YOUR KIDS CORN BUT NOT YOUR DOGS,STUPID ASS PEOPLE. I WILL KEEP FLAGGING ALL BREEDS AND LONG BULL SHIT POST BUT NOT PIT BULL BREEDERS. KEEP BREEDING PIT BULLS AND MORE POWER TO YOU BULLY BREEDERS.
PostingID: 1187211678

not bob

I have stopped using CL because flagging is out of control and is being used for repression of dissent and opinion.

Elizabeth

I cannot believe this problem has been around for SIX YEARS and nothing is being done to curb it. I posted one ad in w4m CE and I actually took time to make it interesting and easy to read, and it got flagged in an hour. I'm not going to sit here and post over and over and over again.
Yet all of the illiterate one-line ads stay put. Well actually, there's only ONE SINGLE ad in my location (Detroit) right now, so what the heck is going on?! The m4w section has about 2 pages of ads per day. This is pathetic and it makes me sick to think that Craig thinks his site is so "democratic" and "progressive". WRONG. Maybe it WOULD be if you would actually listen to what the community has to say.

allen ziegler

room ad has been flaged 2 times in last 2 days , same ad that i have used for last several months , i have recieved harassment e-mails and phone calls in the last 3 months , someone needs to stop this guy .

Rick

Hey. Thanks for your site. Just wanted to say that the flagging on the personals section is out of control. There is no way to put anything up without it getting flagged. I'm on craigslist seattle and the past weeks I haven't posted anything because of what seems like some kind of automated program that is removing ads. It's no fun to post and no fun to read the ads. Hope you can take a look at it and see if there is something you can do.

ed

craigslist just sucks. it has past its time of usefullness. you have flagging idiots,and spammers.. it was a cool product but ill enjoy watching it sink. the people at cl are really losers!

LD

I think when someone flags an Ad, they must leave a comment on why they flagged it. The message should be send to the poster immediately so they can view the comment.

Doug S

Hey LD,

Great idea. I would love to see what flaggers can say I have done wrong. They are more than likley competitors harrassing us. So, in this case, what could they say?
I never break the Terms Of Service or Spam. Still, I get every single add I place Flagged…. All the way down the list. Nothing can stay active!
This is what I call a Flagging Terrorist.

j

Hi Craig, I'm not sure if you're still getting these comments, but first off all… I need to thank you for starting a revolution with Criagslist. I have been using CL at one time or another since around 1997 for at least a little of each of the topics available! But I am especially indebted to you as a provider of free advertising for my design business over the years.

Unfortunately today in many regards it's not the glory days that once were, even a few years ago. The spammers have taken over the services, personals, and pretty much everywhere. Right now, there are a few businesses in the SF Bay Area that are posting from 5-20 ads per day each. This simply foods out anyone else, and no doubt turns off any perspective customers relegating CL to 3rd class spam zoo. Then other posters feel they need to break the rules in order to compete. Nothing seems to work including phone verification, flagging, etc.

Do I have a reason to complain… after all its free? I can just advertise elsewhere right? What's stopping me? Sure, but since you invented Criag's List Craig… your good work has in due course had the side effect of causeing the obsolence of all of my favorite stand bys like the bulleton board, the yellow pages, the local classifieds, even the telephone (no one answers the phone anymore). Have you seen any of these lately? No of course not. They don't exist because CL has become pretty much the only game in town.

So Craig, I hope you pause and consider at least making an adjustment to your cool purist/liberal/socialist/utopian philosophy. I'm not saying to go down to the crossroads and make a deal, but something has to give. I'm afraid the only way to redeem things at this point would be to require a CC and charge a nominal fee in all categories per post. I'm sure spammers would still figure something out, but it would truely be more difficult in that situation as cc info is tied to a real ID. If the fee was kept low, I think the majority of people would get that they were paying to keep CL viable…. and you would be able to use the fees to hire more human moderators. Anyway thanks, but I hope you are aware you have a very sick patient as some areas are already spammed into oblivion and people's trust can't be won because as easily as it was once gained.

Doug S

Hey J.

One point you have made needs to be looked at, and really listened to very seriously.
Other Advertising sources are usless now that Craigslist exists!
I own a Motorcycle Company, and use to use a publication called Cycle Trader. I use to get calls… now, no one goes there to look for a motorcycle or ATV. They all Go to Craigslist.
I use to use the local Newspaper, they had 20 pages of Classified adds. Now they may have 1/2 a page… and 3 motorcycles. Why Bother?
I use to spend $$$$ on local Yellow Pages…. but not 1 caller comes from it any more. We are found through Craigslist or Google.
So, Where can I go now? Where can I advertise and actualy be noticed, and get calls on my Motorcycles for sale?
The answer is simple…. Craigslist Only! Like it or not… Nothing else works.
Wouldn't you think that taking on this ammount of advertising power automaticaly deems you responsible for taking care of these small businesses saftey in advertising?
If it is such an unbearable burden the way things are now (free), hire babysitters, and charge us small businesses for your services, or shut down the Motorcycle sections around the world, and give the power back to the old sources.
I mean really…. Isn't that fair?

Is it right to take on this massive power and job…. then when you dominate the market…. You ignore all the issues, & you simply let good people suffer, and starve?

Gina

This flagging system is a joke. I have SEVERAL racist white men regularly tell me they flag my posts because I'm a black female. WTF CL. Your system is wack.

Doug S

I own a Motorcycle company, and have all my adds flagged… right down the list for the last 3 months now. I have Been on Craigslist for 5 years now with no problems till this.
I chatted with 6 other Motorcycle companies in my area, and they too have been getting attacked by flaggers.
This takes alot of our daily time to post, and repost so often. It's extaordinarly frustrating as well. Not to mention we are loosing HUGE ammounts of business. Some of us may be out of business soon. Times are tough, and Craigslist keeps us just able to survive.
A flag is too easy for an abuser. There is software, and live services avalible for anyone to become a flagging terorist to nice honest family owned small businesses. Through flagging, I personaly know of companies going under, and many jobs lost.
I love Craigslist, but see that somthing drastic needs to be done asap… or there will be alot more homeless, and unemployed.
Because somthing is free, it should not take away the civic responsibility to ensure it is safe, and not harmful. If you handed out free candy on the street, you would certianly have a responsibility of safety.

We have 4 suggestions on how to remedy this situation of Rouge Flaggers.
1. Set us up with Monthly Paid Accounts… Immune from flagging.
2. Set up the CAPTCHA software for the flagger to enter 2 blurred words before a flag is complete.
3. Watch for Multiple Proxi Servers / IP addresses flagging more then 10+ times per week, and ban them from the site.
4. Put Immunity on accounts for 1 month, that are obviously under attack… to frustrate mass flaggers.

One or more of these items would be of huge help to so many people.

From all I have read about you, You are a kind man, with great vision, and Ideals, and totaly with out Greed.
We Motorcycle Company owners are not Greedy, or spamers… we simply want to support our Families, Look after our Customers, and make an honest living. I hope you can understand, and help us …..?

KAI

URGENT
The volunteers in the forums, esp. flag, feedback and general help are abusing and harassing CL members. Those same volunteers are responsible (I'm quite sure) along with a group called the "Raleigh Boyz" of North Carolina are wiping away many boards of all types on CL in many cities and are proving it and boasting about it. The volunteers are also not allowing posts to go up at all, not flagged, nor deleted, just active but never to be seen by anyone else. All others are flagged within minutes. They will usually leave two from each day.(Phila)
Examples Of Abuse And Harassment
(PP)=Paraphrasing
1.OP-I posted an ad asking if anyone had a used toaster. Why Flagged?
Answser: You are ebegging. You,single moms vets, the homeless, etc. Readers hate that stuff and you'll be flagged every time. Go out and get a job loser.
The poster then mentioned that he was recently homeless and starting over.
Volunteer speaking with other volunteer says this: Yeah, my house caught fire. Had to sleep in my car. My dog died. A different volunteer says: Did your dog die in the car? NO? He replied.Dog died in the house,cat died in the car.
The OP was so upset about the way he was being treated that others were trying to get the volunteers to stop only to be abused themselves, including me.

Car ad flagged. Why?
Answer: It's a piece of crap, overpriced and the tires are bad.No one wants that sh*t. Scrap it.
OP: How do you know what the other readers were thinking?
Answer:lots of years of experience.
OP: I know you did it.
Answer: Troll. Don't start shi* here. Your readers, your fellow CL members flagged you on site.I'm going to ban you right now.

A woman posted that she just got an apartment for herself and her two children after staying at a shelter for battered women and she was posting for used furniture saying she would pay. Why Flagged?
Answer: The whole single mom thing, it doesn't fly here. You're ebegging.
OP says she offered to pay.
Answer: You did not state the exact amount you'd pay. We didn't flag you off, your own community did because they think they are being conned. Kids like to sleep on the floor anyway.

Trying to find my cat a good home. Why flagged?
Answer: The cat is too old.No one wants it. Euthanize it. That's what the readers are trying to tell you.
OP: It was only up for a minute.
Answer: I guess you must have a history of fraudulent posts. CL community doesn't put up with that sh*t.

I'm paying for an ad that was never posted. I don't know why you won't put it up.
Answer: Try again in 48 hours
OP: I can't wait 48 hours.
Answer: Stop F'ing whining. Mandatory staff flush on all boards.

I personally posted to the flag forum with a flag question and some info about what I was seeing and I was banned and my posts were removed.
I was threatened with the CL killer and one volunteer told another to sodomize me with a broom handle!
Now really, if you're going to have your name affiliated with such horridness then you are not the man you claim to be.
The volunteers (I am quite sure)and Raleigh Boyz are "flatlining" all boards in many cities and posting live links to these boards on the Raleigh R&R page. That page has over 1100 posts. The Phila page has just two from today and one page with no other pages attached. Raleigh has more than 11 pages. There are/were threats on that page also for anyone who stuck their nose into the business of the flag bot.
Posts in Phila, Detroit, Orlando, Wilmington, Surfside, etc.etc. are flagged within seconds. Too make it worse a volunteer emailed me. Not a good thing. And someone re-posted one of my posts weeks after it was deleted by CL Staff. Also, I was using a handle with three letters and eight dots on the R&R board which I had not seen in six years) I simply asked "Where is everybody" and then told the story of how a group of us on CL became friends and such. I received a reply back on the board that was awful and the handle this person used was my same three letters, three more of his own letters, which were correct and five dots, which also correct.I know I sound off center here, but it was frightening along with the other things I'd already witnessed.
So,would you please do something. If CL is done, fine. (actually, it is done) But at least make sure the volunteers who have upset so very many people pay for their actions.
Thanks
KAI

Ruby

I posted an ad on the personals and it was flagged for removal within five minutes with no reason given! So I reposted it twice and then told I was blocked from posting. I didn't see any guidelines on the site anywhere as to how many posts were allowed.

I found other sites which were better and don't flag everything that's posted. I don't get the flagging within five minutes but then to get banned just for trying to repost so you can actually use the site.

But like I said, other sites with less draconian and arbitrary flagging methods out there that will benefit from CL's inability to actually allow legitimate ads to stay up long enough to do what they're intended to do.

Eric Von Baranove

Flagging of legitimate ads for almost anything is out of hand. The help forum is rude and ineffective.

To reduce the load how about queuing flagged ads for review. Have the flagger fill out a form with comment and then scan the form for flagging programs and redundancy. Once in moderation the ad can be reviewed and further blocked or approved as flag proof.

A lot of this could be automated to remove the load from Craig's List staff. One option is to pay for a flag review up front – this would help pay for moderators and allow legitimate ads to fly. Maybe a $1 for a flag review.

Personally I am very happy with Craig's List and have sold miscellaneous items over the years. But lately almost every ad I post gets flagged and the help forum cannot give legitimate reasons for flagging. Further there is no recourse but to repost and get flagged again. If someone takes a personal dislike to your lack of religious belief they can make your posting life a hell.

Good luck with this one. Keep up the good work.

Doug S.

Craigslist Flagging Abuse.

Motorcycle Companies all up and down CA are being attacked by a cyber terrorist trying to destroy our business. Why? Don't know. None of the owners of these companies have a clue why some one is trying to bring all of us down. We all have totally different inventory, and products. So, a competitor does not fit.
Many of us are having to cut back on hours for employees, lay off workers, and can totally forget hiring new people until this goes away. It could be just the right amount of business loss for many companies to simply close their doors…. Many of our buddies that own motorsport companies are already gone. This is a big contributor I am sure.

We in the power sports Industry Know that the economy is bad better than most. But, our industry is not so bad that we can’t still sell anything. My company in particular before these attacks began was still on a 38% Growth. Not bad for a supposed terrible economy. Now, With this economic terrorist, we are on a rapid decline. So, the vehicles are still able to be sold….. It’s just that some one is trying hard to force more people to the un-employment line and bankruptcy court.
We have tried to contact Craig Newmark himself, and his CEO Jim Buckmaster…. for 7 months. We have sent hundreds of e-mails, Letters, and phone calls. We get no answer. We have tried to go to their SF home office at 1381 9th Ave…. no one has contacted or helped us. We have sent 4 suggestions of how to possibly fix this problem that would be very easy to implement. Nothing has been done.
Craigslist has taken on the big boys like Sac Bee Classified, and brought their Classified section over the years from 20+, pages to a Tiny 1/2 page or less. They have destroyed the long time add company’s, Cycle Trader's Printed Magazine. They have rendered the Giant AT&T Yellow Pages useless. They have taken on the advertising market, and won. Now we dealers have no where to put adds in all reality…… but Craigslist.
If we post an add, within minutes, or hours…. it is what they call "Flagged" and removed. None of the Dealers I know break any Craigslist Rules or TOS (terms of service), but have our adds tore down day and night by some sort of economic & small business terrorist.

Yes, Craigslist argues in many cases of un-happy users…. “If you don’t like how it works, then go somewhere else. After all, it’s free”. But the fact is, they have taken over all practical advertising markets for Motorcycle Dealers and many other industries, and now are the only option in town. In this situation, doesn’t Craigslist have some sort of Moral, and Ethical Duty to the community and it’s small businesses? It feels more like Craigslist has become a big Dictator like Hitler, and I am just one of the small Insignificant ethnicities it hates.
This is literally destroying local economies. I know 5 companies directly Impacted in Sacramento Alone. I could find many more if I just make calls. Wanna know more?

Vanessa King

Hi Craig,
I've been an appreciate user of Craigslist since it came to the California public in the mid-nineties. Unfortunately, your wonderfully democratic system has come under control of a small few flag-happy men (and possibly a few women) who are trolling Craigslists all over N. America (I'm in Vancouver now, what a mess!) and flagging ads because they don't "like" them. Not for any other reason as far as I can tell. An ad that doesn't have time to be flagged 300 times (as one very rude forum "helper" wanted me to believe) is now being deleted within minutes of going up.
I'm perfectly happy to play by the rules, but it's difficult to make a living when ads are being flagged by someone who doesn't think my service has any value because THEY don't think it does. In a democracy, it's not that guy's decision… Free market will get rid of me if my legitimate service doesn't have value. I also have found that, in the same forum, there are just a few different ads going back a day or two, at which point almost all but ONE guy's ads are deleted, or… ? (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/bnc/lbs/)
This is not the way a democracy is run.
As far as I could tell, the only mistake I made was to post one ad in one region, and another ad in another region. I live halfway between the two, so I didn't see it as a problem. I don't think that was the reason, though, or the guy with 20 ads would have been gone as well!
I was talking to a friend who knew people who had completely given up on advertising with Craigslist. Sad to say if this keeps happening, all the legitimate ads will be gone, and you'll be left with… The forum guys who spend their days swearing at people and being rude, abusive, ignorant and unnecessarily nasty.
If there is a way to stop the abusive flagging (and most of it is just that: abusive flagging) then we could have our Craigslist back, but something has got to change. I wish I had a suggestion, but I don't know how they are getting around it… You do. Look at that. Make a change there. Please!!
Thanks for your time!
Warmest wishes,
Vanessa King

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